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Posted by tom_crowley 7/long island (My Page) on Wed, Nov 21, 07 at 5:03
| Any proponants of this practice out there .It seems to be more common on the west coast .Looking for some imput and to share experiences. |
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| Here in rowhouse Brooklyn, my last garden was 16' x 40'. Sort of full sun after a windstorm took down the few large ailanthus trees in the neighboring yards. Not exactly enough space for an orchard, but I had a 10' persimmon tree that netted me about 4-5 dozen fruits last year. The current one is 18' x 35' and still partially a weed field. I've just planted a persimmon, a fig, some raspberries and blueberries this growing season. We'll see how they fare in the coming years. Not sure if you'd consider these backyard orchards, but the size of the lot won't support more than 1 tree. Especially considering that the bordering yards contain 50' oak and evergreen trees. I guess we do what we can and just deal with a smaller harvest :-) |
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| If you google dave wilson nuseries and follow the links to boc you will find that you could put 20 or 30 trees in that backyard space of yours ,if you didn't have the shade problem. |
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| Shade and the concrete patio & walkways :-) |
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eveningg- my backyard is about 12 by 15 and then i have a patio that is maybe 12 by 12. i also had gigantic oak tree and concrete paths in my yard when i moved in.
badabing! i had the tree taken down and the concrete removed and today i have about 30 different fruits growing in my garden. will post a link to some photos in the next few days. it definitely can be done with a ton of time and money |
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That's what I have been waiting for .What types of trees are you growing .I will post some pictures when I get back from this trip I'm on.
I presntly have 15-17 trees planted trditionally .I would love to get to 50 or so .Extend the season and can you imagine 60 varieties of fruit
I just paid $1.50 for an asian pear here in florida .I have 3 planted at home. |
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| Tom- Im adding all the time- i currently have- apple- golden russet
> apple- cox orange-
> plum- greengage
> plum- santa rosa
> plum- golden transparent-
> plum- bavay gage
> cherry- stella
> cherry- ranier
> blueberries- patriot, 3 or 4 others from raintree- dont remember
> grape- golden muscat-
> grape- thompson
> grape- concord-
> strawberry- alpine white
> strawberry- 2x italian musk varities- dont remember name
> nectarine- arctic jay
> nectarine- 2 other varieties- dont remember name
> raspberry- black and red varities
> blackberry- marion, cascade and cascade trailing
> gooseberry- kyomni red
> blackcurrant- something smirna
> maypop
> peach- dont know variety
> > kept indoors during winter-
> > orange- washington navel
> 2x tangerine/clementine
lemon meyer
etrog (citron)
lychee- mauritius I plan on buying about 10 more tropical fruit trees in the spring (lychees, mangoes, mangosteen, jaboticaba etc) and keeping in them in my garage over the winter using heating and grow lights. i also have about 30 plants/shrubs- some tropical some not. will post pics soon
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| i'm a reporter for the new york times and am working on a story about backyard orcharding and stumbled across this posting. would love to interview tom crowley or the poster in brownstone brooklyn (eveningg) about growing fruit in their backyards. i'm looking to include a ny location in the story and these sound interesting. if that's okay please e-mail me at: stevenkurutz@earthlink.net |
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I'll post a list of my trees when I get back home.
Steve I would be glad to answer any question you have but I'm not a city gardener.I live at the end of long island.
I'm in Florida working on an airstream renovation. Will be home at the end of the month.Hopefully in time to put on dormant spray and start pruning |
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| lycheeluva, if the trees were in my yard, I'd spend the $$ to remove them. Unfortunately, they're my neighbors' and they plan on keeping them :-) I used to have over 600 indoor plants under lights in my house, but have whittled them down to under 50 over the years. It's just more maintenance than I'm willing to put up with. So whatever I grow outdoors pretty much has to fend for itself. |
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| evening- perhaps you can get your neigbours permission to trim any part of the tree that is growing on your side of the fence- that might give you sufficient light |
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| The trees don't actually grow over my fence/garden. They're cattycorner and over by another yard. They're over 50-60ft tall (oak, evergreen & maple) and east of my garden so full sun doesn't hit until noon when it comes above the trees. Their yards don't get any sun at all. Then it goes behind the apt bldgs on my street by ~4pm. The joys of city gardening :-) |
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| NY Times article is in today's Home section (online). Short & sweet, makes me wish I could grow like in So CA. |
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| LYCHEELUVA = GERRY GRUNSFELD |
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| Congrats .Now your Identity is out . Glad we started this discussion. Maybe a few more people will chime in .I would love to talk to Ed Lavio from Dave Wilson nurseries one of these days .To play on an old saying "keep on planting mama" |
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I am going to try this
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| didnt understand your last post- what aspect of the picture r u going to try |
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Gerry ,
I wasn't sure if the picture would post. You are looking at about 20 trees in all phases of growth,and recovery.I finished pruning that last apple tree after I took this picture
I'm waiting on three more trees .I don't knpw how many more I can squeeze in but i'll keep trying. |
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| plenty of room tom! i'm gonna post a picture of my yard and then you'll see what no room means. in the spring its not too bad but once all the leaves are out- forget it- its like a jungle. tom do you do any grafting- ive just tried my hand at grafting 4 apple varieties onto my 2 apple trees. the only way im gonna get new varities into my garden from now on is grafting. next year i will try grafting cherries, plums, nectarines and peaches onto my trees |
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All the new tress are being planted 6 feet apart instead of 10 .I'll see how that goes and maybe I'll try to plant more at 3 ft
As far as the old trees go its taken me 4 years to reduce their size by 1/2 .They were originally planted 10 feet apart in rows 10 ft apart . Now the trick will be to get them to start bearing fruit again.
In the last 2 days I have had 4 trees dropped to give the whole area more sun.
To answer your original question . No I never tried grafting but would be interested in the future .
I'd like these trees to start producing .Now they have more light .I just have to keep the deer from eating all the young ones |
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| I just found a bunch of videos about BOC on youtube. Search Dave Wilson or Dave wilson.com |
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