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Roses, passionflowers, fragrants

Posted by Yeshwant91 z7a NYC (My Page) on
Mon, Oct 17, 05 at 14:50

Hi all,
So nice to have a NYC forum. I'm in Red Hook Brooklyn and have a townhouse yard for over a year. Growing old garden roses (Sombreuil, Darlow's enigma, Rhode Island Red), clematis, and plan on passion flower vines for next year. Have a star magnolia. Recently obtained free compost from the city (they are having a compost giveaway and it is great quality). Dream: a garden pond.
So, just introducing myself to see if there are any like-minded gardeners out there.


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  • Posted by JimShy z7 Brooklyn, NY (My Page) on
    Mon, Nov 7, 05 at 9:50

Welcome to Noo Yawk! (and Brooklyn rules!)

I also love passion flowers, but as a terrace gardener I don't have too much room. I also have a magnolia in a large container, and hope it will last the winter with protection. Can't wait for spring flowers; until then it's lots and lots of houseplants . . . .

Jim


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Thanks Jim. Is your Magnolia new? I am waiting for the Spring too, till then it's 'fix up the house.' I am planning to plant a tree on our smallish back patio, that will shade the house and the patio in the Summer. As it stands, they get a lot of sun and the house gets really hot in the Summer. Any ideas for medium sized trees with flowers, fruit and lovely fall foliage that do not grow overpoweringly huge?


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  • Posted by JimShy z7 Brooklyn, NY (My Page) on
    Tue, Dec 13, 05 at 17:03

Yeshwant,

Sorry for the long wait, I've been off the forum for a while. Yes, I bought a mag. x loebnerii 'Lilliputian' in hopes that it will last a couple of years in a container. I was late in getting it repotted, so I'm anxious about it surviving the winter, particularly if we get wet/then cold conditions, but we'll see.

I can think of a bunch of great, four-season larger shrubs and small trees, but which one you want is up to you, and it definitely makes sense to check 'em out before you buy -- the Brooklyn Botanic Garden, of course, is a great place to examine them in site.

In no particular order, I'd look at:

Amelanchier hybrids
Stewartia cultivars and hybrids
cornus florida and c. kousa cultivars
Cercis candensis cultivars
Chionanthus virginica and retusa
Hammemelis x intermedia cultivars, or h. virginiana or h. vernalis
Styrax species

All of these will look great in flower and foliage, many are fragrant, and all should deal with a hot, sunny site, given regular watering. You can find pics of many of these at Fairweather Gardens, Roslyn nurseries, and other online websites.

Take a look at Linda Chang's City and Town Gardener and the BBG handbook 'Intimate Gardens' for other choices.

Have fun planning for spring, it's what obsessed gardeners do in winter!

Jim


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  • Posted by JimShy z7 Brooklyn, NY (My Page) on
    Wed, Dec 14, 05 at 10:23

Here's a link to a short article on four-season trees and shrubs -- gosh, I hope Yeshwant hasn't given up on this forum!

Hope this helps!

Jim

Here is a link that might be useful: Four-Season Trees


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Thanks for the tree references and names! Will definitely check them out. Sig. other is opposed to the tree idea somewhat though so we may make do with drapes! We do have a Magnolia stellata at the end of the yard, but it is in the wrong spot for shading the house and shades the garden instead. Planted by previous owners. Ther roses are really hardy. They still have their leaves even though they are frozen. I have been away from gardenweb during the cold months and focussed on work in the inside of the house. Brownstoner.com is a great site. I don't know if they have a garden forum though. I have to get on with my spring planning. Like they say, when winter arrives it's already dead and spring is here! Best of luck with your magnolia...


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I just saw this posting. I live nearby in Park Slope, and I wanted to comment on Passion Flowers. I grew a passiflora caerula by seed a few years ago, and no blooms in three summers. Also, that variety isn't winter hardy here. I had to keep a plant or grow a cutting indoors each winter. This winter I gave up, but I will try again by seed, this time a passiflora incarnata (aka "maypop" or "incense"). This is supposed to be more winter hardy. There's a chance I'll have some extra vines, so let me know if you're interested. This is the variety that I've seen for sale at various stores in NYC. Has anyone had luck keeping these alive over winter?


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I'm surprised. P. caerulea is supposed to be hardy to zone 6/7 according to the Brushwood Nursery website. I have ordered P. incarnata (maypop) and P. incense for late April from them. Maypop for the fruit and incense for the flowers and they also crosspollinate. Now, I have to find space for them.
Where have you seen these for sale in NYC?
Can someone tell me if P. edulis is hardy in NYC (aren't we Zone 7a)?


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Hi all,

Nice to hear from some Brooklyn gardeners! yeshwant91, where did you get your Darlow's Enigma? And how is it doing? I have been wanting one but the only place I know that has it (Heirloom) sends very tiny bands and I want something bigger.

Good luck with the passion flowers--I haven't tried them but they're gorgeous. I've been wondering about cup and saucer vine. Has anyone tried those?

Brooklynrose


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  • Posted by jimshy z7 Brooklyn, NY (My Page) on
    Thu, Mar 23, 06 at 10:28

P. edulis isn't hardy in our area, straight caerulea should be, but needs protection as a young plant, just like any other. I only grow tender passies and either keep them inside during the winter or, for lack of space, treat them as (expensive!) annuals. Found a great alato-caerulea at the Union Square greenmarket last year.

P. incarnata and its hybrid, Incense, are root hardy, but will die back in winter and send out new growth in late spring, so don't dispair if they don't come up sooner! I've heard Incense is prone to death by virus, and they're working on new crosses like Allspice and Blue Eyed Susan, that are resistant.

Finally, Brooklynrose, I'm growing cup and saucer vine from seed this spring -- Gowanus nursery had 'em last year, and the purple-green foliage had me from hello!

Will post pics when they come up . . .

Jim


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I am waiting eagerly for my Passiflora incense and incarnata. They're to be planted in the ground outside.
I also ordered a Campsis Madame Galen (it's a less invasive Trumpet vine cultivar). Am I going to hate myself for doing this? I have heard these things spread like crazy and invade the whole garden and attract ants along with hummingbirds. Anyone with experience growing this? I'm hoping to grow it on the property wall for privacy and because it will cling to the wall without any support if pruned and kept tidy.
The Darlow's enigma band (that's the word I was looking for) was really tiny when I got it, but grew to over 3 feet since I planted it in June last year. It also flowered almost within a few weeks of planting. The flowers are not showy, they are single and tiny, but there are many of them and they smell so good! And it grows in partial shade. I have it in the shadow of our back fence and it gets sun for about 1-2 hours and then dappled shade. And it is doing fine. I LOVE it and can't wait to see what it does this year. It's thorny and untidy though. More like an unruly twiggy bush, with fern-like smallish leaves. As for bigger specimens, you may not find them necessary, but if you want, maybe the antique roses emporium or some other nursery listed on davesgarden website will have them. You could also search the antique roses forum here or post a query there.
Yes, it is nice to hear from Brooklyn gardeners.


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Last summer I saw some p. incarnata vines at the florist/garden store at Chelsea Market. I also heard that Lowes sold them, but I'm not positive which type.

I assume that the "cup and saucer" vine is a cobea? I grew those by seed last year, and they did great.

Jimshy, were you able to get your p. caerulas to bloom? Like I mentioned before, I did keep one living each winter, and it's simple to root a cutting...so if I could get a bloom, maybe I'll try again. Meanwhile, I'm waiting for my p. incarnata seeds to germinate.


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  • Posted by jimshy z7 Brooklyn, NY (My Page) on
    Fri, Apr 7, 06 at 15:00

Jblum,

I've had two alato-caeruleas, never the straight species, which is smaller and not as fragrant -- both bloomed in waves during the summer, and one even bloomed indoors in winter in a pot, though most passies are hard indoors.

If you ever get up to Wave Hill in the summer, check out their huge pergola garden --

Passiflora alata -- Wave Hill

I may try a new variety from Logee's if I can afford to order one . . .

Jim


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That is one gorgeous picture.
I am now looking at a fruit tree for my patio. Possibly a tart cherry.


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For my patio shade I have a japanese red maple. It is beautiful and provides nice shade to sit under, tolerates lots of pruning, and has lovely lacy leaves that let light through, but provide shade.
For roses Gruss an aachen flowers well, even in partial shade. Now that I think of it I almost forgot to prune my roses, so better do it tomorrow.

I just planted a yellow magnolia tree, developed by BBG: Yellowbird brooklynensis. IT's about a 4 foot twig, but came shipped with 5 or 6 buds.

Passionflowers did great in my garden, but I cut them back and took them in during winter.

Cup and saucers are terrific. They need a lot of sun to produce lots of flowers & bloom. They bloomed in late summer and september.

happy brooklyn gardening !


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Jim, that picture is so beautiful. It looks like it is growing in a tropical land.


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brooklynrose- You can get Darlow's Enigma at Ashdown Roses. They have decent sized plants. I just ordered Darlow's Enigma from them afew days ago myself.

Here is a link that might be useful: Ashdown Roses


 
 

 

 


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